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Date: 10/24/1999 7:46:00 AM
How do you know? How did you find out about all of this stuff? I've always wondered what the free- masons were. My uncle is one. It all seems very secretive and hush-hush. |
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Date: 10/24/1999 9:22:00 AM
From Authorid: 963
Your claims are fascinating, but can you back them up with any sort of proof? By the way, my nickname for my mother is Muzzy. :) |
Date: 10/24/1999 10:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 277
I never met anyone who really knew what freemasons were. I have heard that it is just for men and women don't play a role in anything they do. I've heard they are very anti-women when it comes to women controlling anything. (is this true?) I've always heard and thought they were a cult. I tried to look up info. on them after reading your story. And you know what? I only found sites asking if you are a member and no real info. about them was given. The sites made me think of the old movie, "The Stepford Wives", where all the men joined the lodge!!! Too weird! Hawk  |
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Date: 10/24/1999 10:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 1303
I love someone who can make up stories you should write books IM me at alissaky12 |
| Date: 10/24/1999 5:36:00 PM From Authorid: 679 As a memeber of a family who has members in the Masonic lodge and Daughters of the Eastern Star for several generations, I find this type of writing to be highly bigoted and inflammatory. TO ADMIN: Could you please try to curtail this kind of writing. I'm not asking for censorship, but please try to catch a racist or bigot before they do too much damage. -Marauder |
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Date: 10/24/1999 6:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
How is this racist? Everything I've ever heard about masonry has been hush hush. I would like to know why. I don't think they chop off heads like the author said, but why is everything a secret??? Why don't the masonry websites tell anything about what they do? What are they hiding? .....Hawk |
Date: 10/24/1999 6:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
Dear muzzy....oh man! T. Crapmaster.  |
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Date: 10/24/1999 6:55:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
...In the immortal words of Steven Stills...PARANOIA STRIKES DEEP...INTO YOUR HEART IT WILL CREEP. |
Date: 10/25/1999 9:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 1055
Perhaps you didn't realize this but your narration sounds like the second coming of Christ. If it is, then you have a few things mixed up. First, Christ will come and take his own away before the devil can chop their head off. Second, it will not be the devil coming to earth, but an anti-Christ coming from the East that will be the devil's puppet. Then, after Christ comes the second time the earth will have to face 7 trials over 7 years in which the faithful can redeem themselves for not being taken the first time around.  |
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Date: 10/25/1999 1:03:00 PM
The Freemasons (masons, shriners, eastern star) are an organization that goes back to the middle ages and the time of the crusades. The original name of the organization was the Knights Templar. They have indeed been around a long time and are represented in all areas of society. Most of the founding fathers were Masons (Washington, Jefferson, Madison to name a few) Look on the back of the $1.00 bill, the piramid with the eye over it, the "all seeing eye" is a primary masonic symbol. It represents the fact that "the brotherhood" is watchfull. All very strange and secretive. To the best of my knowledge not one former Mason has ever told any of the masonic secrets. Any one know more? BCAR |
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Date: 10/25/1999 1:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
Thank you, BCAR! I'm very curious too. I haven't found anything on the web because they are so secretive. When I was a child, in Chicago, the shriners would always be in parades. I never really knew what they were either, but I never heard bad things about them. I didn't know the symbol on the dollar bill was masonic. That's pretty interesting. Can someone please respond that knows more about freemasons? Hawk |
| Date: 10/25/1999 3:23:00 PM From Authorid: 806 My father is a mason. I am highly offended by this story. The masons are very hush hush, so how do you know that they do all of these evil things? FYI ~ I was raised in a church and always tought the word of God. My father is the most caring and wonderful person ~ never has he ever tried to convince anyone to worship Satan. You need to research this a little further before you write all of these accusations. |
| Date: 10/26/1999 7:20:00 AM After some Web research I found one site that was anti Mason www.ephesians5-11.org. I is a religious site dedicated to renouncing Masonry for Christ. Not much in the way of detail but interesting. Even the former Masons who renounced the order have little to say about it. To #12 I am sure your father is a good man and no one is saying different. I am convinced that 80 to 90% of actual Masons have no idea what really goes on. The secrets get deeper as they climb to the various degrees. BCAR |
| Date: 10/26/1999 2:23:00 PM From Authorid: 806 Let me tell you a little more about what I know to be true with the Masons. What they are is a fraternal organization. They are not a religion, however, no atheist can become a Mason. You aren't taught to believe in God, religous freedom, moral conduct, or acts of charity ~ you must bring with you these things. Secret socities strive to keep their organization secret, but people know that Masons exist, and those people who are Masons are proud to be. There is a difference between secrecy and privacy. The Masons are a charitable group of people. I do know, however, that ignorance of some will cause many others to believe that the Masons conduct rituals where they shave goats and such ~ or cut people's heads off. And if the Masons lead such groups as the KKK, why are there Masons of all different races and religions? Basically I think this story comes from someone who was misinformed. ~~ Cricket |
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Date: 10/26/1999 2:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
Cricket, I have to agree with you about people being misinformed. Its just strange that their web sites don't even give us a clue. It makes me think they have something to hide.......Hawk |
| Date: 10/26/1999 3:04:00 PM From Authorid: 806 I agree Hawk that they seem to have something to hide, that's why some people find it hard to believe that they aren't a cult. It seems like they'd give some clue just to save face, but I guess they know what goes on and that's what is important to them. ~~Cricket |
| Date: 10/26/1999 3:05:00 PM From Authorid: 806 Oops ~ That's why some people believe that they ARE a cult. ~~Cricket |
| Date: 10/26/1999 3:36:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 First of all any organization that goes against christianity are considered a cult. The Masons as well as their brother organization the Shriners are definately a secret society that has power and control over many nations. And the Freemasons are definately a cult. What the author has written is very true about them. I don't know that the KKK is involved with them. But I do know through people that know people in these organizatons and the truth is that they are run by many very very wealthy men around the globe and their main goal is control and secrecy. I also have heard through a very close friend that worked for our government about the chip. Read the bible and it also talks of these things. Strangely coincidental? you tell me. anyway who has trust in things that keep secrecy ie: our government or the Freemasons? Anyone heard of the Luminati? They are also behind this. |
| Date: 10/26/1999 3:41:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 If they are not a cult than I propose that thier leaders come out from the woodwork and tell us what all the secrecy is about? I think I have said enough to keep me in deep 'you know what for a while'. but you know what I really don't care. The truth will come out anyway. Don't be descieved by hidden things. |
| Date: 10/26/1999 3:44:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 Oh and by the way Clinton was definataly not sent by God.... talk about secrecy... |
| Date: 10/26/1999 4:21:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 Let me explain what I know about the chip and how it was to be used. The so-called chip was developed by subcontractors for our government in order to keep track of certian officials that play a major role in control. So I've been told. The chip is a microfine unit about the size of a pencil point that has a small battery inside. In order to keep the battery charged htere most be a presense of heat change. On oou bodies are two perfect locations, the hand and the forehead where our hair ends. Now if you were to read Revelation 13:16&17 it says that: "He (Satan) caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that noone may buy or sell except the ones that have the mark or thename of the beat or the number." Tell me this is not control. |
| Date: 10/26/1999 4:26:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 I know the number(666) and I won't live my life in feareven from the Freemasons or anyone else. Believe what you want about the story. There are some truths to it, like it or not. |
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Date: 10/26/1999 4:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
The whole "chip" thing was from a movie. Come on people.........Hawk |
| Date: 10/26/1999 5:12:00 PM From Authorid: 679 Please don't start with the Illuminati! If you are, someone will bring up the various Hermetic Orders, and that'll be just skippy! Enough with the "conspiracy" groups.... |
| Date: 10/26/1999 5:46:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 I challange you than. Do your own research. Look at all things written about the illuminati and the Freemasons. Look at the symbols and the relevence and similarity to the Freemasons and the ties there of. After you have done your own research and do it well, then make your own decision. I say no more. |
| Date: 10/26/1999 7:18:00 PM From Authorid: 1205 I think this story is very misinformed. The sentence structure makes no sense. I don't thing the author has a clue as to what he is talking about and most likely heard this from someone who knows nothing about masons. If your looking to find secrets of the masons then you should know that they do have rituals and secret handshakes. The rituals are not religous in nature. And they are not secretive. If you ask a person if they are a mason they will tell you. Most where pins, tie clips, and rings to show that they are and are proud of it. The mason believes in putting himself aside for the betterment of humanity. Such as fundraisers and charity work. Women are not allowed in the masonic temple but do have there own meetings that are related. And yes there are many symbols such as the liberty cap, golden seal, and great seal that have masonic meaning and it's no secret. The numbers represent the levels of freemasonry-32. Masons are crafts people as well who lay cornerstones and work with mathmatics hence the compass symbol. If your really going to know anything you should talk to a mason in person they are around. nuff said. |
| Date: 10/26/1999 10:36:00 PM ok,you can get an id chip put in your pet under the skin for identification at your local spca.just call and see.and i heard that we're next.and there's a guy going around the country speaking audiences about the 666.he said that he programmed the bar codes into computer systems that you see on the back of everything you purchase.also called upc symbol.3 lines or bars are missing a number under them at the beginning middle and end of the bar code.Only the programmer can see this number that goes in those empty spaces,not when scanned at the grocery store.this number is a 6 in each space and lets him know the beginning middle and end of the bar code.this is world wide.go to your fridge and look at a bar code.you can not buy,sell, trade without the mark of the beast.that's why it's going to be hard for the rich to get into heaven like a camel going through the eye of a needle.would you give up everything you owned and fend for yourself or take the mark and be able to go to the grocery store and buy food and keep your home and bank accounts.better safe than sorry. dallas |
| Date: 10/26/1999 11:09:00 PM also,there's a computer in Europe that can do world banking and is nicknamed the beast.the beast doesn't necessarly have to be a horned devil just a deception from God.this world banking could be introduced after a world catastrophe.perhaps the world wide y2k or the rapture.the 11th dragon would be Spain.and this year Spain was elected by the U.N. some form of control over the U.N. Dan.7v24 read it.the 11th dragon will be granted authority over the others.who knows?just something to think about. dallas |
| Date: 10/26/1999 11:17:00 PM From Authorid: 411 Lol If buying my groceries at a grocery store will send me to hell, then so be it. Personally, I don't think God is that petty. As far as the Freemasons go, I don't think anyone will ever know what they're really about. Seems to be much too secretive. I basically go by the rule: Don't trust anyone in politics. period. I'm 28 and I'm proud to say I've never voted. All the morons that mess up our country weren't put into office by me. |
| Date: 10/27/1999 7:49:00 AM From Authorid: 806 1205 ~ I couldn't have said it better. 411 ~ the Masons are not into politics at all. 1207 ~ heresay doesn't make it true. Hawk ~ I think I saw that movie!! ~~Cricket |
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Date: 10/27/1999 10:06:00 AM
From Authorid: 177
One of my dogs has a chip under its skin too. I dont know if it has 666 on it though. Oh and by the way...let's not make y2k worse than it has to be by making a run on the banks or doing other rash things that could make it a self- fullfilling prophesy. |
| Date: 10/27/1999 5:00:00 PM to aurthor rid# 411. Buying groceries won't send you to hell.You are obviously an ignorant person that people should flee from. dallas |
| Date: 10/27/1999 5:38:00 PM From Authorid: 679 Just to all who confuse the Knights Templar and the Freemasons: THEY ARE SEPERATE ENTITIES!The Knights Templar were a militaristic church order who were founded originally to patrol the Crusader states during the Crusades. They were eventually destroyed by Church politics and burnings in the Fourteenth century. The Freemasons may have taken a love of ceremony and structure from the Knights, but the Masons started in the late sixteenth century. While there is a distinct Templar flavor, they are seperate entities. Hell, the Templars still exist ina Shriner-type state. Hospitals and charities and such. -Marauder |
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Date: 10/28/1999 9:15:00 AM
Where have you obtained this information? We need more please. |
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Date: 10/28/1999 12:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
I just connected with the web site that was mentioned earlier: www.ephesions5-11.org. and read some of the things fundamentalists think are wrong- such as the unity of man and belief that at different times in history avatars come to help man with his spiritual growth. Sound like a fine bunch of folks to me. I can't understand the mind-set of the fundamentalists. I understand what they say and their attitudes about metaphysics, the paranormal, people who believe differently etc. They are absolutely intolerant of any other way of thinking. Some of their denominations are so intolerant that they think even people in other christian groups are going to hell along with all the Buhddists, hindus, muslims etc., etc. I was brought up in a Fudamentalist sect that claims to be the one and only true church and that all the other "good christians" possess nothing but falseness. While I'm not rebelling against good morals, clean living etc. I do rebel against their intolerence and their vast ignorance of metaphysical truth. TC |
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Date: 10/28/1999 12:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
...that was ephesians with an a. sorry. |
| Date: 10/28/1999 12:36:00 PM To 679 I was unaware that the Templars still exist. You are correct that the Masons are not just a re-named Templar. The info I had said they derived from the Knights Templar and I guess you can read that several ways. All the info on the web is pretty thin, the offical Freemason sites pretty much give you the straight party line. And the one differing site (I mentioned above) has it's own axe to grind. Maybe there is nothing to any of this, but you know secrecey breeds distrust. The most information I have received on the Masons came from a program on the History Channel or TLC I can't remember what one. And like all media it is only as reliable as they want it to be. More? BCAR |
| Date: 10/28/1999 12:59:00 PM You guys got me curious I found www.knightstemplar.org it says plainly "all Knights Templar are members of the Ancient order of free and Accepted Masons" Who don,t these guys control |
| Date: 10/28/1999 7:54:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 Guess how many political figures around the globe are the highest raking Freemasons. Politicians arent? Oh and guess what else, ever notice the ties with the Illuminati. These guys were 'Not' some fictiscious crap that was just made up! I agree that some of the above story is a little strange. But one thing for sure so are the Freemasons. |
| Date: 10/28/1999 7:55:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 I didn't get the chip idea from a movie ok? |
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Date: 10/28/1999 8:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
I'm pretty sure the name of the movie was "Logan's Run"........Hawk |
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Date: 10/28/1999 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
To 1270: I'm not saying you made it up, I just know this movie was about something like that.....Hawk |
| Date: 10/28/1999 8:55:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 whatever.. I did see Logan's Run some years past, but I also find it interesting that the guy that told me this is also my best friend and pastor. What's real interesting is that he also told this story in his sermon about three weekends ago. One of the reasons I responded. I don't know I wasn't there. But I trust a great deal in his word. Hey who knows. |
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Date: 10/29/1999 5:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 1071
Where did you get your information from? When I was growing up (ages 12 - 18) I was in a group called Rainbow Girls sponsored by Masons and Eastern Stars and GOD was firmly entrenched in our ritual ceremony as well as the Bible. I would question the source of your info. Remember that the Freemasons were one of the groups that Hitler persecuted in Nazi Germany. Some of the things said reminded me how easy it is to segregate a group of people just because of their beliefs or ideals. Paranoia can run rampant and things are instigated and pretty soon things are out of hand. Please have tolerance for people you probably are misinformed about. Turn against no one until you are 100% certain and can prove your facts. The concentration camps of WWII give us a good example of what can happen when paranoia runs rampant and groups are disliked for their idealogies, religion, skin color, disabilities, etc. If what you say can be proved then prove it, otherwise I would say to practice tolerance. It's what America was build on. Suz |
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Date: 10/29/1999 10:08:00 AM
From Authorid: 1055
I thought America was built on freedom and liberty? When did it change to tolerance?-U.T. |
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Date: 10/29/1999 10:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 277
America was not built on tolerance. Do we celebrate "tolerance" on Independence Day every July 4th?????? Hawk |
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Date: 10/29/1999 1:50:00 PM
This person is in his own world of mind. I've never heard of the chip this person was talking about thats absurb. People need to believe what they please. thtt |
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Date: 10/30/1999 9:09:00 AM
From Authorid: 1071
To the people who had issue with me saying American was built on tolerance, I guess I should have said religious freedom. I consider this to be TOLERANCE of other people's religions or religious organizations. America was build on religious freedom. Since Masons is a religious oriented organization I think this applies. My first concern was the paranoia that came out in the story. I may not understand all religions/or religious organizations but I sure would not write about them in this manner unless I had certifiable proof and could explain my reasons. suz |
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Date: 10/30/1999 3:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
Freedom of religion, "freedom of speech" (whether we think its right or wrong), Freedom of the press, etc...etc.... America was not just based on religion. Check your history books, my dear........Hawk |
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Date: 10/30/1999 3:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
Any group that was persecuted by Hitler was probably OK. TC |
| Date: 11/1/1999 4:26:00 AM From Authorid: 1071 I'm well aware America was built on more than one of freedom, I do not need to consult a history book. I was only trying to get across that the Masons and their organization come under religious freedom. I also would never take away this person's ability to write this kind of story whether, I agree with him or not, I realize this person probably has reasons for the way he thinks and the things he writes. I also understand we (all Americans)have 1st Amendment rights, no matter who if anyone else agrees with what we say. Suz |
| Date: 11/1/1999 7:31:00 AM From Authorid: 806 1071 ~ The Masons are not a religous oriented organization. Crickett |
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Date: 11/1/1999 8:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 1270
Hey has anyone said the national pledge lately? ......One nation under..... Yes our nation was founded on the basis of freedom by God fearing men ....then the ACLU took over. |
| Date: 11/1/1999 8:14:00 AM From Authorid: 1270 I don't know much about them other than what I have read and I'm just curious to know what the Freemasons have to hide that is so secretive than? |
| Date: 11/1/1999 1:03:00 PM From Authorid: 806 No one has proof that the Masons are satan worshipers. Whether their secrecy makes you wonder or not, it does not prove that they do anything immoral or illegal. Cricket |
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Date: 11/1/1999 1:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
I'm looking at freemasons in a whole new light now. When my husband graduated from high school he was given some sort of award from the masons. It was an outstanding student award. They were given every year. He was told he was able to join the freemasons. He never joined,just went on to college and then the military. I just found out about the award he received last night when I asked him about the masons. He said that as far as he knows its just a religious charity group. They have secrecy but no different than any other type of lodge. I apoligize for my questions based on rumors...........Hawk |
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Date: 11/1/1999 1:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
I'd also like to say that they are not a cult........Hawk |
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Date: 11/1/1999 1:54:00 PM
The chip is either called a synthetic, or genetic implant,I can not remeber which it is called, and yes it does exist. They are placing it into peoples pets to track them. Next it will be people, and it is probably your social security number, with all your info on it , It was said to place it on your right hand or your forhead. This is the mark of the Beast as spoken of in Revelation of the King James Bible. I also agree with the other person who commented , about how I believe you have things mixed up. I don't know who or what thr freemasons are, but I know there are very private groups, I guess you could say like the men in Black, do they really exsist? well any how to get your story straight, read revelations, then the old testament book of Daniel and Jerimiah, it will help you to understand what you are trying to get across. valwwjd |
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Date: 11/2/1999 5:04:00 AM
From Authorid: 1071
I still must maintain that Mason's are a religious oriented organization. Not a religion per say, but oriented towards God and service. Suz |
| Date: 11/2/1999 8:15:00 PM My Grandpa was a mason, I guess he was one of the big shots too. My mom was in Jobe's daughter which is for girls that had relatives that are masons. I just went and talked to my mom for more information about it cause she know's as much about it as the wives of masons would, she said that all the meetings were secret and that even the Jobe's Daughters had secret stuff, like a secret handshake. She said that everything that they didn't do anything that had to do with the devil, and as far as she knew either did her dad. I think most people don't know anything about it except that they're secret and they are just assuming that they're bad people, but yet have nothing to show for they're thoughts. I mean Area 51 is secret and know one thinks everyone that works at Area 51 are evil cause they're secret.My grandmother is a Christian and if the masons where evil or bad in any way i know that my grandmother would never have married a man like that. Well that's all. |
Date: 11/2/1999 9:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 1574
To 1337, from what rock did you crawl out of? Boy, there are alot of messed up people on this site, but you take the cake. I don't even know where to begin. Masons are nothing but a bunch of old guys. Young ones too. It's a fraternaty! They have rituals, yes. They don't worship the devil, and they are not behind your delusion of world dominance. You've got one to many screws loose. There are plenty of books in your local library on the subject. No they don't let women in their circle. Just like I'm sure that there are plenty of organizations that don't let men in. As for your version of revalations, go back and re-read the bible. You're a little off on the subject. As for Marauder, What's your problem? As much as I think that this author is an idiot, I don't see anything racist about this story. Quit being so paranoid! My father's a Mason. I've gone to Mason functions and never seen anyone chop a chiken's head off. People like the author, scare me. They read more into things than they need too, and at one point end up holding 60 people hostage because "someone is watching" them. Crawl out of your box, and live a little. Don't forget to take your medication. - Jedi  |
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Date: 11/3/1999 9:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 177
As to the ACLU safe-guarding our public schools from the imposition of christian only observances, I think they are to be commended. If religion was allowed in the class room then all faiths should also be free to worship in their own way. I wouldn't have a problem with that. Until that time comes religious prctice should stay in the churches, synogogues, mosques etc. TC |
| Date: 11/4/1999 7:02:00 AM anyone interested in the influence that the masons really have,,,,find and read about the new denver airport,,,its very weird..... |
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Date: 11/4/1999 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 1683
c'mon did this stuff come straight from your butt. what evidence do you have, muzzy. muzzy sounds like the name i gave my stuffed bear when i was a toddler. And by the way, my grandfather is a Mason, and he's one of the best men i know. he's also a member of the order of the eastern star, you want to put them down also? if the masons are sooo smart, why haven't they booked and bagged your butt and sent it of to devil's island or something? your a radicalistic idealist who only wants to uproot AMERICA'S democracy as we know it. in fact, i think my grandfathers such a great person, i would be honored if i became half the mason he is PERIOD |
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Date: 11/4/1999 12:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
Does the author really believe the crap they wrote, or are they just having fun with conspiracy theories? TC |
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Date: 11/4/1999 12:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
I think the author just wanted to see how many people would believe his/her b.s. There's not many that know too much about the masons, unless they are one or have a family member that is one. I have always heard "rumors" about them until recently. I hope the author doesn't believe what he/she wrote. I think he's just paranoid.......Hawk |
Date: 11/5/1999 7:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 582
As I recall, up until just a few days ago you were one of the paranoid too Hawk. I've always wondered about them too until I saw a documentary about it. I don't have enough information to form a good opinion about it on my own and listening to a bunch of rumors never gets us anywhere either. But I did like hearing what everyone elses theories were. Chelle  |
| Date: 11/5/1999 2:14:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 TC, I disagree with the ACLU controlling our schools. Kids should have the freedom of their moment of silence no metter what faith they have. I'm sorry but thier freedom has been infringed on there. It is sad when kids can yell 'Hiel Hitler' in public schools out loud but if cought praying they get carried to the front office. I do believe to separate Government and religious faith, but don't tell us we can't pray in school or anywhere else for that matter. What happened to the country that was founded on the belief of 'One Nation Under God' anyway. Maybe the ACLU. |
| Date: 11/5/1999 2:19:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 Hey people, maybe the Freemasons are great people. This may be very true. I only know what I have read ok? The secrecy ie: the Scientologists in Clearwater, Fl. is what concerns me. Why hide things? What's so secretive? Ask your fellow family Freemasons to explain. Maybe this can clear things up for them. I agree how rumors can affect things. The truth is out there I'm sure. |
| Date: 11/5/1999 4:16:00 PM From Authorid: 1270 Something I forgot to say. My wifes grandfather was also a really good guy that was a church going person and loved very much by his family before he died. He was a mamber of another society known today as the Mafia and spent his last days in jail for doing his duty for them by shooting a cop. No secrets or control in their society. |
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Date: 11/6/1999 5:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
I wonder if your wife's grandfather thought that He would enter Heaven regardless of the way he lived....as long as he went to mass & took communion? If so, I think him and others like him who believe that rituals and belief in doctrine save them from negative spiritual consequences are in for a rude awakening on the other side. TC |
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Date: 11/7/1999 2:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
......the law of KARMA places no value on rituals & doctrine. Only action. TC |
| Date: 11/7/1999 10:45:00 PM ok, so here is what i know. what bcar previously said backs up what i know. as far as racism, that isn't an issue. i had an african-american friend in college who was an avid freemason. i have also seen other people of color wear their symbol of the "grand architect". this is one way they name god. their system is a certain religeous blend involving secret societies (you gotta know the handshake or you don't get in the door). the organization is just for men, but there is a branch for women, the name of which i have forgotten. by the very meaning of occult (meaning hidden or secret), we could label them a "cult". other than their love for their society and its secrets, there is no reason that i know of to associate them with our typical ideas that the word "cult" brings up. in fact, many christians are also masons. i know a couple of rituals, but that is about all i can add.--underwatersky |
| Date: 11/7/1999 10:53:00 PM en ce qui concerne l'éscatologie.....NO but NO!!! it really scares me what some people think they know about the bible. the book of revelation is what is known as apocolyptic literature. this is a jewish tradition in which someone will write about present events in allegory with a fictional ending meant to promote faith in adversity. THERE WILL BE NO 666 MICROCHIPS IN PEOPLE'S HEADS OR THEIR HANDS!!!!! the story is about christian persecution under Nero. Nero is your 666. superstitious christianity has been holding back the advancement of humankind in western culture for centuries. get over it. the only conspiracy you need to concern yourselves with is on the x-files. i will now step down from my soapbox.--underwatersky |
| Date: 11/8/1999 8:36:00 AM From Authorid: 806 Like I said before ~ there is a difference between secrecy and privacy. Keeping to yourself doesn't make you an evil person, it makes you a private person. ~ Cricket |
| Date: 11/8/1999 1:16:00 PM From Authorid: 1215 THAT'S THE SCARIEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!!IF THOSE PEOPLE THINK WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL,THEN THEY'VE GOT ONE SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!!!!-PRETTY- |
| Date: 11/8/1999 1:24:00 PM From Authorid: 1036 I really must be in the dark--I don't think I have ever heard of these rumors before,but I also tend to ignore, rumors about other religions, because my religion is one that people love to spread rumors on; and well they are mostly wrong, so I would say stop listening to rumors. |
| Date: 11/8/1999 1:27:00 PM From Authorid: 1215 THAT'S THE SCARIEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!!!IF THOSE PEOPLE THINK WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL,THEN THEY'VE GOT ONE SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!!!!-PRETTY- |
| Date: 11/15/1999 2:17:00 PM that is nuts I know some that are christians |
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Date: 11/16/1999 6:17:00 PM
This Is the truth due to fact that they are known by there symbol of one eye and in the simpsons this appears many times . one time if you recale the aleans With the one eye and the secret oganisation hommer tubbled across( stonecuttes) , and even when Burns went mad about the grims and they zoomed in on them and they said FREE MASONS RULE THE COUNTRY !!!!! These People own alto of the big name industries such as Voda phone,Big W even bill gates is a freemason even thoughthe claims to be a nonbeliver in god . So The truth Is in front of our eyes but still we are blind to see so I only pray that they never win and that one day we all fight back . This Is Bubba Bad Ass Gump Saying peace out :D |
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Date: 11/17/1999 5:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 177
D, you brought up something very interesting regarding the alleged Free-Masons' symbolism on the Simpsons show. I remember those recurrent single eyes & the other things, but never thought about it. Maybe they're subliminal messages being broadcast to an unwitting public. If so, let's hope they're benevolent ones. TC |
| Date: 11/19/1999 2:27:00 PM From Authorid: 806 All I can do is laugh now!! I have definitely heard it all!! hahahaha ~ Cricket |
| Date: 11/24/1999 1:28:00 PM From Authorid: 2213 I just looked up Freemasons and read through about 3 hours of all I could find out about them and I will tell you something, these people are very secretive and very weird. Every web site I went to said pretty much the same thing, which was pretty much nothing. They defended themselves against all these accusations of Satanism and a bunch of other stuff, but the thing that strikes me as VERY odd is that they admit to using the Pentagram in their so-called "rituals" and a bunch of other stuff. There was one thing that talked about the penalties of discussing their secrets, it was something about blood-letting or something. The sites all seemed to say the exact same things, almost as if the authors all used the exact same book, word for word, to defend themselves. You should all go check the sites out. All you have to do is search for Freemasons on Yahoo or some other place such as that. VERY STRANGE INDEED!! Almost spooky! |
| Date: 11/26/1999 10:22:00 PM It is true that many of our founding fathers were Free Masons. Some of you have confused Free Masons with Masons. There are different. Free Masons is indeed a secretive, isolated, and powerful group of men. They have been for hundreds of years. The guy who builds and stuccos the wall around your back yard is most probably not. Anyone got any information about the New World Order? |
| Date: 11/26/1999 11:26:00 PM From Authorid: 1982 it's time to look beyond the freemasons. Decipher the mark of the beast and see what you come up with. You should be able to find some websites to help you. It more or less implicates the catholic church and the pope. anyone that finds anything please post it, I'd love to have a little more info than what I've got! No offense to any catholics intended, just some info my friends and I found. |
Date: 11/27/1999 12:01:00 AM
From Authorid: 1631
Matt Groening is involved in this??? Being an avid Simpons fan, my little animated world has just been shattered. Just kidding, but the next time I watch the "Stone Cutters" episode I will REALLY pay attention. I learned a lot about a subject I had never really pondered before. Very interesting (and kind of scary)...Ali  |
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Date: 11/27/1999 12:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 2282
In response to 1982's inquiry on web site info. Check out http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8988/index.html. There are quite a few religious and world leaders listed but it focuses more on the satanic involvement, not Catholicism. Good reading anyway.  |
| Date: 11/27/1999 9:06:00 PM From Authorid: 1982 thanks for the info 2282! I found a little more on the freemasons but there is too much to post here. check it out at http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/masons/masons. There is some interesting stuff on Catholics and the freemasons, again, no offense to any catholics reading this, just makes for interesting reading. |
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Date: 11/27/1999 10:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 2282
yo 1982, I checked it out. thx! |
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Date: 11/27/1999 10:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 2194
Well all I got to say is that the majority of mafia leaders are highly religious catholics, unless drugs, violence,extortion, and gambling makes them a freemason. To tell you the truth I agree that you may have ben misinformed. Another question why would your pastor bring that kind of stuff up in church, is he trying to scare all the little kids in bible studies. |
| Date: 11/27/1999 10:54:00 PM From Authorid: 2194 you want to know what a free mason is here is the site:http://mason.xenon.net/ftof/whoare.htm |
| Date: 11/30/1999 10:23:00 AM the masons have a form of religion to them but thier God has not been named yet. most of the big buildings of the world belong to masons. I would have nothing to do with this if you are a christian as you are not allowed to take an oath according to scripture, although threre are sadly many christains involved in this thing that are misinformed. |
| Date: 11/30/1999 10:26:00 AM the chip thing is not from a movie as you can now get a chip put in your dog to keep track of location. |
Date: 12/3/1999 9:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 1995
Freemasons are good people. I support them 100 percent. Why are people so afraid of them? Because of the secrets involved? You have no proof that what you say is true. You are speaking without a hint of knowledge. Have you done research on them?... NO... Is that a pentagram for satan that is their symbol?... NO...Should people be afraid of a fraternal organization who's members only do charity work and practice the works of JESUS and GOD?...NO... Get your facts straight, do some research before you condemn people that you don't know. They are good people. I support them 100 percent. booglyboo  |
| Date: 12/3/1999 11:03:00 AM from AuthorID2282. To the author, congratulations on breaking triple figures on the reply count!!!!! |
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Date: 12/10/1999 6:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 582
Talk about a contraversal topic...over 101 comments! WTG author...Chelle |
| Date: 12/10/1999 9:24:00 AM Actually, I have a friend from Taiwan that told me about this chip for pets. In order to stave off the alarming number of abandoned animals, the Taiwanese government has made it mandatory to have this license/chip inserted. If the animal is abandoned/lost/found, the person that the chip has been licensed to is contacted. In the case of neglect/abandonment, the person is prosecuted. MMC |
| Date: 12/11/1999 1:41:00 AM EXCELLENT!!!!!! |
Date: 12/31/1999 12:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 3263
WHOA. how do you know all this? personally i think its a big load of CRAP. but everyone is entitled to their opinion. DARKCROW  |
Date: 1/1/2000 9:49:00 PM
From Authorid: 3255
The Freemason have secrets yes... But those secrets are only for the people that they help and the things that they do to help people... There are a lot of kids in the cancer hospitals that wouldn't be able to get treatment if it wern't for some of these groups.. Some of the groups have shelters for abused woman.. and other things.. so what ever their secrets are is only their business,... as long as they arn't doing harm to anyone.... they are helping people and some people are getting help that would not other wise get any..  |
| Date: 1/16/2000 9:14:00 PM From Authorid: 3916 3916 I agree, I am sure the masons control everything of any significance (i.e. governemnt, military, business). A person who is not associated with this group had better resign himself to being a worker the rest of his or her life. They control everything!!! |
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Date: 1/16/2000 9:17:00 PM
From Authorid: 3916
Isn't it amazing that masons can have a 150K to 250K lodge building in every town in the US and elsewhere. Where do the $$$'s come from to pay for these buildings? I bet you or I couldn't afford to pay our bills and still have enough left over to pay dues at one of these temples. Something stinks about the whole organization. Is it a coincidence that the masonic symbols appear on US currency, investment companies, the loyal order of police, etc.? Most cartoons have the masonic symbology shown throughout them. If I see another cartoon on the disney channel showing a mason hat I think I'm going to vomit. Wake up people this group is everywhere. I also know for sure of a new state prison in my area that has a mason warden. All of these new prisons are going to be used on people who do not conform to the New World Order ideas and laws. I just hope my children do not have to live through this nightmare. A few years ago I took a state board test for a certification. Guess where it was held? That's right, it was a mason temple. Now why do you suppose it was held there? Is it because they got a big check from the state or is it because they are the state government? |
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Date: 2/21/2000 11:11:00 PM
Even if the Free-masons are some secert organization, I think the statement above desurives one respones ................... ................... Oh PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! I mean I'm one of those "conspiraies loving people" I even beleive most of them, but this one, well I just don't. sorry. I just too wacky. And also, What abbout peolpe who don't beleive in God or The devil, what will happen to them????? |
| Date: 2/22/2000 12:04:00 AM I just got some information from my mom. First of all Freemasons is a type religion ( no they do not worship the devil). Their relgion is close to Wicca ( in which case Wiccans don't even BELEIVE in the devil. Free-masons don't allow women ( there is a different name for the group the women belong to) so Madonna CAN'T be a Free-mason. The KKK and The Mafia are two completly different groups anyway. The Freemans do hold secert rituals, but so do Wiccans ( and do you know why????? Because people THINK their devil worshipers out to take over the world.) I know this because ( no I'm not a free-mason out to brainwash you, I'm not a "devil-worshiper" out to convert you to evil, I don't even beleive in the devil) I'm a 15 year-old, who is a Wiccan, and my parents know about the Free-masons. How you ask???? Because real Free-masons (not like the ones in the story above) are just like Wiccans but don't want to admit it. They even call themselves MEN OF GOD ( not MEN OF THE DEVIL, no MEN OF GOD, they're MOG's). daria_at_heart |
| Date: 3/1/2000 2:48:00 PM I have heard much about the freemasons stories like they work with jews against Islam and Christianity, also that they are controllers of organisations like Klu Klux Klan. And that they are devil worshippers........However lets be serious about for one moment not every one important in the world is a freemason, so they are not controling the world also is this all similar to what the nazis though of jews so we should all watch our prejudices we must be more accepting of others more understandind towards them REMEMBER IT IS NOT CONSPIRACY'S WE SHOULD FEAR YET GOD AND GOD ALONE! from a non mason honestly! |
Date: 4/29/2000 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 7440
If you have a secret identity you should not be afraid to tell us the Gorry details ,unless you do this i think you are pulling our chains,you are telling us nothing new, get on with it man or forever be silent  |
Date: 5/11/2000 7:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 5484
I THOUGHT IT WAS A BIBLE GROUP OF MEN???  |
| Date: 6/12/2000 12:11:00 PM I am a freemason. No I don`t worship the devil! I Love God! We accept membership from any religion the only thing we ask is a beleif in God! Try Checking the web and sources a little more before accusing an organisation of such things. We are just a group of guys learning about life not wicca or any other religion we are very patriotic. It relly hurts many Masons feelings when people say well they have secrets. What Secrets? People will condem that which they do not know. We are honest men and teach only moral values nothing more... Jessie |
Date: 6/30/2000 11:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 7457
pretty long..but very good!! i luved it!  |
Date: 7/6/2000 9:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 11721
you clearly are not a member therefore you don't know what you are talking about i suggest you back them up with some real proof before you start attacking innocent honrable people!  |
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Date: 7/8/2000 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 11721
You have no idea what you are talking about. The freemasons first and foremost worship GOD The one in the Bible no other there is nothing about Wicca or any other religion period. We DID NOT start the KKK or any other cult. Second WOMEN DO have a role in the Masons. However, it is a different organization called Order of the Eastern Star. To be in this you have to be related to a Mason. The Masons are also known as the blue lodge. Now to be a shirner you must first belong to a blue lodge you have to pass degrees and learn lessons (from the Bible). I would swear to you on a stack of Bibles we are not all these things you say below what I am writting. There is not much one can tell you about freemasonry because everyone takes a solem oath when they enter....trust me when I say we are not out to rule the world we are not a cult or anything else if you have questions for me I will answer what I can but there is not much I can tell you only general things....and don't start attacking me when you ask or i will not reply! Finally another reason you have no real answers is because of the oath....BrinaWV |
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Date: 7/8/2000 9:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 11721
PS I am checking into it but I don't think Bill Clinton is a Freemason because most likely he would have been removed after the scandal! |
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Date: 7/15/2000 7:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 11721
Bill Clinton is NOT I repeat NOT a mason! I checked the national records. |
Date: 7/15/2000 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 8439
Bill Clinton is a 7th degree York rite freemason.For the real truth about Freemasonry listen to the Hour of the Time.It airs Mon-Thurs 9 P.M.central time 7.415 mgthz shortwave  |
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Date: 7/17/2000 9:23:00 PM
From Authorid: 11721
dr x go find a hole and stay there! if bill clinton was a mason he would have been thrown out after the scandal you never give up..well neither do i BrinaWV |
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Date: 8/8/2000 8:22:00 PM
For those of you that want more info on Mason's check out these links. FYI - most Mason's don't know about a lot of the secrets unless they are 33nd Degree Masons. This group thrives on lying to members in order to cover up the ugly truth. http://www.cuttingedge.org/fmcorner.html, http://www.onyxgraphics.com/nutley/Famous.html, http://www.cephasministry.com/history_of_masonry_1.html, http://www.cephasministry.com/index_masonic_files.html |
| Date: 9/14/2000 1:09:00 AM I am a little confused- I have heard of the free masons and masons all my life- many many members of my family are in it and also the Eastern stars. I have realized that the poeple involved are prosperous. Recently I have been offered to be a member of the Eastern star. there are members in my family that made it to 32 etc----so its pretty big and its VERY serious in my family- should I do it- I know you can't answer my exact question for me- but i'm only 18 and Id really like to know. My mom is the only one in the family that disagrees with it- she says that the all knowing eye is evil and that they swear on the bible and put man above GOD- but they show to help so many people. I've been told that whhen we- or the jewish people left Egypt that it was egyptian customs and beliefs and we carried them with us- but that doesn't necessarily make it right. I have heard alot of scary storys on the Tests they do to see if you are worthy and ya know what it reminds me of----that movie the skulls- well - thanks to whoever replies to this- I just sincerely hope that the gov doesn't start watching me or hurt me or something since I wrote this- Caroline @>--%-- |
| Date: 9/15/2000 10:19:00 AM Apparently you have not researched you facts! There are many books about Free Masonry and its origins. Even the ritual used for the meetings is in print and may be found in used bookstores. IT is a charitable organization which give more than a million dollars per day to charities and not only Masonic charities. Shriners are Masons and look what they do through their childrens hospitals. These hospital, by the way, do not charge the families 1 cent for the miraculas treatment that they receive. To respond to the individual asking about whether Masons are anti-women, this is not true.There are many organizations that exist in the Masonic Fraternaty for women and family members. Check the websites for the Order of the Eastern Star, The International Order of the Rainbow for Girls, Job's Daughters, and the Order of DeMolay, the last three are youth groups and each of the groups mentioned are service organizations, founded on the belief on one true and living God. Each organization is based on the Bible. These groups are not secret, yes we have our formal opening, closing and initiation ceremonies that are closed to all that are not members, but so do groups like the Eagles, Elks, Moose, Mormans, etc. etc. etc. These organizations have taught me and my children and their children, good moral values, a firm belief in God, excellent leadership skills and respect for all humans. I suggest that before you attack such an Order that you get all the facts and I sincerely hope and pray that all readers who are not familiar with our order are not swayed by yoyr ignorance on the subject. This order has been in existance for over 2000 years and dates back to King Solomon. 54 of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence were free MAsons and the government of the United States was founded by these same men and based upon the Masonic order. If it were good enough for them.......... |
| Date: 9/18/2000 2:32:00 AM I am a Master Mason, and become one for a very good reason. I have never found any other organization to be more bible oreinted. This organization is founded both heart and sole upon God's Holy word; and one of the requirements of being a master mason is the undisputable belife in God, includeing the attendace of church, and the salvation of one's sole. Now how can someone call an Organization like this devil worship . I belive that the reason for this is that the name calling got started through someone who got rejected because of the way they live their lives. |
| Date: 9/26/2000 4:21:00 AM There is only one way to find out what being a freemason means. |
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Date: 9/28/2000 12:43:00 PM
Freemasonry Watch http://www5.50megs.com/freemasonry Yes, it is true what they say about Freemasonry. |
Date: 10/6/2000 2:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 12031
i quite confused whether to believe this or not  |
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Date: 10/9/2000 3:04:00 PM
First, I will tell you, I am a Mason. We do not want to dominate anyone. Masons are a fraternal organization and anyone who applies is investigated. You must believe in God, be of good character and can not have a criminal record. Masons have been around for a very, very long time. They first became know publically in the 1700's, in England. Knights Templars, in France were arrested by King Philip, on Friday, October 13th, 1301, for heresy. They were severely tortured and many killed during the torturing. In 1310, Jaques DeMolay, the Grand Master of the Templars was killed and told King Philp and the Pope, as he was being burned alive, that he would meet them in judgement before God. Within one year both Philip and the Pope died. In trials , in germany and Spain, the Templars were found innocent of the charges of heresy. In Scotland, it was reported a group of Templars, fought with Robert duBruce, against the English. The templars did not die out, they went underground. A group of Knights, who swore to defend the Christian religion, unto death, had been betrayed by the Pope [who was King Philip's lackey]. Where else to turn. Today's Templars[ of which I am one], still vow to defend the Christian religion, unto death. All Templars are Masons, but not all masons are templars. Ther are 32 degrees in the Scottish Rite of Masonry. The 33rd degree is an honorary one, conferred on individuals for their work in the organization. many of the 32nd, know just a much as the one's with the 33rd degree. |
Date: 10/9/2000 3:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
I do not know what the masons stand for as far as the orginazation go's,But I know some masons who are very good people,and some who are very devout christians...Sixgun  |
| Date: 10/11/2000 12:52:00 PM From Authorid: 17107 If Free-Masons are so secretive how would you know what they are doing or trying to do. My husband is a Mason and he also goes to church a believes very much in God. |
| Date: 10/11/2000 7:28:00 PM From Authorid: 16864 Dude, do you make this up as you go? Have you ever been in a masonic lodge ? I have. It was where we listend to a dharma lecture. There were no satanic images any where.But I did see a christian like siting room. |
| Date: 10/11/2000 8:23:00 PM The boys know whats going, who are they trying to kid? They have the whole world sewn up and under control. |
| Date: 10/14/2000 1:54:00 PM that's heavy! |
| Date: 10/22/2000 6:47:00 AM entry level masons are not aware that the organization is evil...the secrets are revealed as you get deeper into the organization...it is forbidden for members to pray in the name of jesus christ, their excuse is that their muslim,budda, brothers,etc. will be offended....the deeper you get, you realize that they indeed do worship satan.. |
| Date: 10/24/2000 11:32:00 AM Are you sayin Muslims are freemasons? What in the name of allah r u talking about. You all seem to be very smart people. IF THE WORLD IS SOMEHOW CONTROLED BY EVIL WOULDNT YOU THINK THEY WOULD FIGHT GOOD??. Well this the case, muslims are being murdered all over the world, the only problem is people watch this Mason controled media and think its the truth. Let me tell you this, alot of people are just in the dark and dont want to get out. May Allah(the only one true god) guide you and all of his good people to the truth. Moon |
| Date: 10/24/2000 8:12:00 PM Yes, There are some Muslims, that are Masons. WHY NOT? They & you believe in God. Along with the Koran, they still use the Old Testament. Andas far as Masons not mentioning Jesus Christ, you are wrong. I am a Knight templar [ a Masonic organization] and His name is mentioned Every meeting. |
| Date: 10/24/2000 8:17:00 PM Hey Moon, Allah is the Muslim word for God.I know the 7 Pillars of Mohammed, yet I am a Mason. |
| Date: 10/25/2000 3:42:00 PM Who ever you call muslims that have joined your freemasons, I can tell you right now they are not real Muslims. They have simply lost faith in the only one true god (Allah), and with all his prophets[Mohamed, Isa(Jesus), Mosa(Moses)]saas. About you knowing the seven pillers any human can find them out. I dont see your point. The koran has warned us of you and some of us know what you'r all about. All i can you that true Muslims will always fight all evil. May Allah guide all of you to submit to him and save your self from the dajal. MOON |
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Date: 10/26/2000 12:29:00 AM
Okay, let me see if I can put this into perspective... a worldwide orginization with members of all races and religious prefrences is racist? The hush-hush secrecy of the masons can be found at your friendly neighborhood bookstore, the secracy that surrounds Freemasons has been out in the open for years... but they conceal that information in books, so please read up on a subject before you decide to post any more information. -ScriptWriter |
| Date: 10/26/2000 6:24:00 PM I knew a few masons in my day and it always seemed that would hold back certain information when you had a discussion with them. As if they were trying to pull one over on you or stay one step ahead of you, but you could always tell because of their poker faces. Now don't get me wrong I have met masons who were considerate but they all have one agenda in mind and thats the furthering of their organization and to he!! with everyone else. |
| Date: 10/28/2000 4:57:00 PM Shame on you for writing such lies about that which you know nothing. Freemasons were the Founding Fathers of this country. Authorid 277, do you know about the Shriner's Hospital where children are treated for nothing? Shriners are Freemasons. The author of this page is a liar. |
| Date: 10/28/2000 5:54:00 PM Sure, and I'm sure you treat all children, mason or non-mason. Be more specific. |
| Date: 10/29/2000 1:34:00 PM Through the years the human race have learned. Humans have learned so much that evil knows how to cover the hands of the devil. The devil does not care if a child dies, the truth is the kingdom of the devil (Jinn) would like these souls to grow to the point of free will. Through the years they would prove weak, follow his human built track, even add to it a little. That track is right to hell. The devils biggest trick is masking his face with another, deceiving many of his non-existence. He is here, in our very lives smarter as time goes, with a resume of crime, blood, and evil for thousands of years. God (Allah) the great did not create this world for us to play. But he made it perfect for us to explore learn and wonder how great and powerful he is, To include him in every action we take. A human though has the potential of great ignorance. He may mix good and evil. As you can see that I'm talking about humans and the devil as one. The truth is I'm sorry to say that humans are the hands of the devil. Every human think they are on the right path. Is that true. Please everyone watch what you do. Try to see it with God’s eyes, even though that’s not possible but try to judge yourself. If you work all the time make a lot of money, ask you self for who?? Give yourself a chance and read the Koran. And keep in mind that you are being tested every moment. Some even say (Allah only knows the truth) that your soul is only in your body to show you your actions, this realty might be IT. |
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Date: 11/3/2000 11:56:00 AM
Ok my father is MASTER MASON and he is not a devil Worshiper I don't know who started all this crap but it is rediculous! the masons are a very well organized and upstanding organazation. Just because they don't Let just ne one in means that they are Very protective. Most of them are very christain as my dad is and maybe you should get more than one opinion before you go calling people devil worshipers |
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Date: 11/6/2000 2:56:00 PM
Very interesting topic. If I was to lead such an organization of which I wanted the members to follow the devil. Would I start by telling prospective members that 'we follow the Devil'? Nope that would put off probably 95% of people. So I would let it be known that is was a religious rather than anti-religious order. Now once I had these members, and they knew of the massive benefits (became dependent), I could now abuse this power and change their beliefs (possible with 50% of people??). Just human psycology. I enjoy reading some conspiracy theories too. Some are a false but can sound very interesting, I post one shortly (totally off my mind, but interesting). Cheers. Redkit |
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Date: 11/6/2000 3:09:00 PM
Sorry guys/gals. However since I am hogging this site, here's a URL regarding the Georgia Guidestones. http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm |
| Date: 11/10/2000 3:14:00 PM What is to be made to expose these organizations, it seems like most do not think this is true. I have doubts. So what can we do?? |
Date: 11/10/2000 3:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 14254
First the religious section, now this. Why do so many USMers hate Freemasons?  |
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Date: 11/16/2000 4:56:00 AM
You would be absolutely right to say I have no faith in God - (in my opinion he doesn't exist!) Also - you do realise that you have contradicted yourself don't you? I said that I didn't believe in the Devil and you followed up by saying that my Grandparents were the ones that "must have filled your heart with non-sense". Yet I thought that the Freemasons were Devil worshippers! If this was the case why would they encourage me to believe that the Devil doesn't exist. Incidently my Grandfather has been a Christian all his life whereas I am a strict aethiest. I also won't be one of the "losers" as you so nicely called me because if God does exist isn't he supposed to be all forgiving! Over to you . . . . |
| Date: 11/16/2000 5:27:00 PM I am a Freemason, have benn one for years.We no more worship the devil than does the Pope.So much of what you cite shows how little you know of Freemasonary and how much you choose to believe the absurd rantings of religious fanatics. |
| Date: 11/18/2000 7:47:00 AM Greetings, I am a proud Freemason. I don't drink blood, worship the devil, or eat babies for breakfast! There are many who claim to be Brother's although they are not, that is only one of the good reasons for secracy. This story is laughable, only a fool would believe such foolishness. Unfortunately there are many fools. One who knows not of which he speaks, should not speak at all! In peace, S. |
| Date: 11/19/2000 1:38:00 PM I would any information about illuminati and connections with freemasons. dokasasin@aol.com |
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Date: 11/21/2000 12:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 1995
I come from a long line of Masons and Eastern Star members. They are the best,honest, and most GOD worshipping people I have ever seen. We stick together, and are buried together, not because we worship the devil, but because of uneducated people who fear us. Like you. booglyboo |
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Date: 11/21/2000 1:23:00 PM
Sir, the only reason that make us diffrent from the rest of the animals is we have the brain to think. Think about everything, to look into the universe and come to the one and only conclusion, that is God is there. He created us all, I cant really try to convince you that god does exist unless u tell me why you lost faith. God is the "all forgiving" but he is also the creater of "HELL". If the all mighty was just forgiving then he would never create such horror. You need to think a little more about your current position and about your future. If you tell yourself ok I'm not gonna have faith in god, but if he's there he is the all forgiving there for i'm ok, there is something wrong here. This is exactly what the devil wants from you. We are all humans, we r all capable of being god followers or devil followers or neutral. Out of the three the first ones r the winners. THEY DID WHAT GOD EXPECTED THEM TO DO. Now let me fill you in a little, angels also exist, the worship god all the time, pure never sin, with all that God Ranked us over them, he gave us a whole planet even skies and made all angels work for us. Why?? Ask yourself why?? look around u and ull see why?? There is good in you, but i'm sorry to say that heaven is only for God followers. Forgivness is there for all who sined but trully are sorry. Not for any of the others. If you lost faith, you have followed the devil, you follow the devil you loss God. |
Date: 11/23/2000 4:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 16612
The Freemasons do control us, HOWEVER, they are NOT devil worshipper!-TessekTheQuarren  |
| Date: 11/25/2000 11:23:00 AM what are you going to say to the lord on that day you stand before him. when you have to explain why you printed unsubstantiated lies. doesnt the bible mention a place for all liars.if you really fear God,it seems to me that you would want to be more honest in your indevors to promote the lord and gather souls for His kingdom.If your belief is established on the lies of others you are just as guilty. Your zeal is wonderful but your focus and your facts are trash. probably planted by the devil himself.preach Jesus! Just Jesus! and let God take care of the world. |
| Date: 11/25/2000 6:16:00 PM Just Jesus??? What about the creator of Jesus, the heavens and Earth, don't preach him? You have missed the whole point of why Jesus was born to earth. You say that my facts r trash? You just through an opinion without telling me other. Say your facts if you dare and I will give you mine. Mine is the truth and nothing else. So that it came from the only unchanged word of God. The word that many have ignored because of emotional attachment inserted in them since birth. Injections made to corrupt everything that’s pure and holy. Design perfected by the devil himself and accepted by most men and women. A design which is in itself linked to the system that failed work. If you doubt this then look arround you and you shall see. We all need to look into the final word the answer is there.You talk of preach then Preach the Lord no one else, he did create you! |
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Date: 11/27/2000 12:08:00 PM
I want to tell you how wrong you are on this buddy! Do you realize that every year thousands of people are helped by the Masons or Masonic Affliated Orders? The Shriners help many children in their burn centers and they help crippled children-ALL FREE OF CHARGE! Rainbow girls volunteer at hospitals and fundraise for charity. When I was Worthy Advisor we raised money for the American Cancer Society and Children's House. All the other orders do wonderful work as well. My father is a Mason,Knight Templar, and Shriner. He is also active in the United Methodist Church. He does not want to "Take over the world" Dad is a mason because they spread Christian love better than any other organization I know of. |
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Date: 12/2/2000 10:59:00 AM
Me again - I never lost faith - you can't lose what you never had. One point - I don't believe in God, which means that I thereofre don't believe in the Devil (you can't have one without the other) which consequently means I can't go to Hell because it doesn't exist. Why? There is no proof to prove that God/Devil/etc exists and there never has been. The day that God appears before me is the day that I will start to believe in him. You are right when you say that one of the things that separates us from animals is our ability to think - the right to make decisions and choices based on fact and evidence - for God's existance there is neither. Incidently, it was very polite of you to call me 'Sir' but its Ms. - I'm not a male. |
| Date: 12/2/2000 8:40:00 PM I really don’t know how much thought you put into this subject. But the whole idea of everything came from nothing does not even compute with our laws of physics according to the very famous for every action there is an equal reaction. With the big bang theory, which is agreed on by most scientists the universe came to existence with a huge explosion, what we don’t know is how and why this happened. But I guarantee you it did not come by from nothing. This is to the creation of the universe with all its mysteries, but another big question that we need an answer for is how did life came about? This is another big question that we have no answer for. Ms there is more to it then just a "No" this is a question that god gave us our life to explore and come to no other conclusion that there is no creator but him. You sound like a young lady to me you have time to think more, so do that ask him to reveal his signs to you(by praying). If you wait till the end it will be too late for you. Another thing, if a scripture in existence is designed in such a way that no human could have wrote it would that help you in reconsidering your "No"?. A script that contains many signs only for those who want to believe? One that is like nothing else! Tell me if you interested to know more about that miracle holy script?. |
| Date: 12/3/2000 11:43:00 AM dThe author of the article on freemasons needs to become more educated in the organization. I personally know of some good works of this group. However, I suppose that everyone has a right to express himself. Even if they are ignorant of the facts. |
| Date: 12/4/2000 4:32:00 PM Freemasons are W.A.S.P. What is the problem. |
| Date: 12/5/2000 4:51:00 PM Paranoia at it's best right here folks, this is the most ridiculous definition of the masons I have ever heard. Chips in our hands, Leonardo's coming to get you! Hilarious. By the way the word undder is "spelt" "under". |
| Date: 12/5/2000 4:58:00 PM The Masons have nothing to do with Jesus or the Devil or anything of the ilk, there just a bunch of old ppl hanging out and drinking or involving themselves in community activities like donating money to schools and charity groups. |
Date: 12/12/2000 11:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 13455
that's very scary  |
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Date: 12/19/2000 12:20:00 PM
as-salam-alakium i am a muslim and i do belive that the masons have a tight grip on this world. If i offend anyone i would like to apoligse in advance. Masons evolved from the knights of the tempalars and first took hold of the uk. How do u think england lost the war to scotland? the masons were with scotland at this time as they had just been kicked out of france by christains for acts such as homosexuality and so on. The tempalars had an art from of magic called KABALA which they adapted from egypt and so the 6500 army of scotland defeated the 25000 army of scotland. then when elizabeth the II (i think) died there was no throne to the king of England so the scottish king who was one of the free masons took rule. the masons then decided they had to disappear so away went the name Tempalar and when they did come back to war with Napolean they were known as the Free Masons - stronger and bigger then B4. this is the war that they almost lost had it not been for the Jews. A jew offered to give money to the masons in order for equal business trade in the open or else the money could always go to napolean, the masons accepted and defeated napolean. they learned from this mistake as they prepared for world domination. The first free masonic state was to be born when columbus discovered america and so it was portrayed on the dollar bill. The masons objective is to destroy islam and christanity by promoting pornography and other evil acts this is why tv'z, games consoles have been given to occupy the belivers and to make islam (to a muslim) secondary to the desires of this world. Now u can see what is happening in Israel today and if it had not been muslims that were being killed the UN would have been in there to cease the violence but of course the UN is controlled by free masons. Thats the way they work - take control of the key main top figures in the order to control people. I mean like politicains, the media, king, presidents and so on. Now to the teachings of the prophet muhammed (peace be upon him) he said that the anti-christ would be blind in one eye (the same one eye is the mason symbol) and will take humans to the wrong path. at first he will claim to be a prophet and later the almighty god. Allah has allowed this to happen as this is the biggest test for muslims and there belief in him as the anit-christ will be given powers to fool the belivers. For example (and i put my life on it that this is all fact) the anti-christ will come up to someone and tell him "i am god" the person is gonna say "shut up" the anti-christ will tell him "if i kill this person and bring him back to life will u belive me" he will say "yes" and so the anti-christ will chop this person into half and then put him back together and now the on looker will be decieved and belive in the anti-christ - the anti-christ will not be able to do this twice to the same person. The prophet said remember The anti-christ is one-eyed Allah is not. Masons are preparing for his arrival as any web site u visit will tell u masons belive in the one supreme-being (which is the anti-christ) and when he does appear is gonna be the time when Jesus or as muslims know him the prophet Isa (peace be upon him) will return to kill the anti-christ after he prays Namaaz. (Yes Jesus(Peace Be Upon Him) is a muslim and even told of the coming of the last prophet muhammed it was even in the bible (but has been edited as there are so many versions of the bible - which at one point was the truth) how does this related to masonry? well the thing that is going on in israel right now is even part of this coz the Jews have to destroy the mosque (AL-AQSA) in prepartion of there messiah which is going to be the anti-christ. I know u all might think i'm krazy or something but this is the truth. Everything the prophet muhammed (peace be upon him) said about the world before the arrival of the anti-christ is happening. i will pray for u all and hope u see the truth which is the Quran and this is all reality and will be proven on the day when the sun rises from the west. BEWARE i swear you will see the trutruth - research Islam and make your own mind up - It is the final word of god for mankind i hope u see that. |
| Date: 12/20/2000 10:04:00 AM people he is write (the writer of site)they are watching theydo want to tack over the crisis in israle is controled by them that is why they kill muslims. allah waqbar |
| Date: 12/20/2000 10:25:00 AM that was very eqsuisit happy now |
| Date: 12/23/2000 2:04:00 PM assalam alaikum people. I am a muslim, and I strongly agree with the author about the secretive masons and their plan to rule the world. They're based in US Washington, and if you've heard of the Pentagon House, well thats where all their plans are made. Infact they created the stem of corruption, violation, racism, murder, rape, and will carry on until everyone is totally brainwashed with filth, and satanic behaviour, why? because freemasons are satanists themselves, and they will do anything for power over all nations, by doing this they have control over media, the UN, the US government, etc. They use the media to promote propaganda against muslims, and give them a bad name, and to make people think that Islam is everyones enemy, but why ISlam? Because muslims are doing the total opposite of freemasons, i.e. spread the word of the one true God, Allah(SWT), and peace, and to wipe out all this corruption and the filth that lead all this. |
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Date: 12/24/2000 5:31:00 AM
Islam is the key to salvation! |
| Date: 12/28/2000 7:24:00 AM read the freemasons story and well lets just say the guy did not have a clue |
| Date: 1/4/2001 6:25:00 AM mr.omen i think you need to read into this a bit more because you really dont know wat your talking about. firstly how can man create god and the world,when man dies at the end? you have know idea about the world and how life should be like,read the quran in transalation and then tell me who created who. there is only one truue god and that is allah{swt)and i am not affarid to sperd this word because it is the truth and the truth will always win. |
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Date: 1/5/2001 3:16:00 PM
Salaams to you all muslim brother and sisters. I was listening to a lecture on tape (bayaan) about this exact subject earlier today and has intrigued me very much. I did know about similar things previously but hadn't known about the Freemasons and why they are here. Anyways...One point I'd like to say is that freemasons are also behind the 'secret' messages which are recorded onto music singles, most famous artists include(s), Madonna, Michael Jackson, The Eagles, Queen, The rolling stones and many more others! The message which they sing out is the one of SATAN. If you play Madonnas the song Like a Prayer backwards, I am sure that you will hear the words 'OH SATAN'. trust me I tried it. The same with the song Beat it by michael jackson. In this one he gives a different message. The song Hotel of california by the Eagles referres to the Satanic Church which once stood in Los Angeles in a street called California and on the cover of their album is a church....THAT IS THE CHURCH!!! You might ask the question, what does he mean by these secret msgs? Well listening to the song(s) forward (as normal) would seem ordinary. Theres music and theres the lyrics! NO!!!! The messages have an effect on our sub-conscious mind! These messages have an effect or soon will have one to our daily lives, eg. smoking, prostitution, pornography etc etc etc. On the subject smoking and in particular marijuana. In one of Queens hit songs (cant remember which 1), well when that song was played backwards the message 'ITS FUN TO SMOKE MARIJUANA' was clearly/would b heard. When I mean clearly I mean you can hear the words fun and marijuana CLEARLY. but if u listen to it carefully that is whats said!!! These msgs hold a bad thing for us muslims, esp for when we'll be in the grave. i could go on all night, but I must go. May Allah forgive me for whatever I have said which may be wrong. P.S SPORTS COMPANY NIKE, IS ALSO RUN BY FREEMASONS. How? I have a pic where they designed a trainer with the name of Allah written in Arabic on the heel and the sole!!! First glance you just think its a cool design, but closer inspection reveals that its the name of Allah, closely packed together!!!!!!!!! Khuda hafeez. |
| Date: 1/11/2001 1:01:00 PM this is true, for more information there is a cassette available called "exposing the new world order: shadows" which will give you more information. it is available from IPCI in birmingham. |
| Date: 1/14/2001 2:55:00 AM A freemason is a low class of people, believe me i know a few but i want to be one to but i am my own entity of evil. |
| Date: 1/14/2001 3:11:00 AM From Authorid: 23764 Oh, my, I hope...hey, who are you? Get out of my roooooooooooooooooooo....just kidding. Do some research on the Resicrucians (Order of the Rose) and Freemasonry, you may be enlightened. I like that part--believe me or I'll chop off your head. Heehee, chop away. **Darkle |
| Date: 1/14/2001 3:24:00 AM From Authorid: 23764 Masonry is one of the oldest of the Middle Age Guilds. It is a screct society that began as a way to consolidate and assist people in the professions such as Stone Cutters, Brick masons, and related specialties. You have to be 'asked' by a member to order join, then go through an initiation phase. It is not Satanic. But it is World Wide. NWO? Naw, the NWO is a much more awesome group of movers, shakers, and peanutbutter makers. sorry. Bill Clinton...a Mason? Oh my, who let him--a lawyer--into the circle? Shucks. **Darkle |
| Date: 1/16/2001 4:50:00 PM People who say "I am a Mason, and they do so much good",etc,etc. Exactly HOW MUCH do you know? Being in an association, society, club, fraternity, etc; doesn't necassarily mean you know why it's there, who is at the top and for what reasons it exists... In analogical terms; I live at home with my parents, we live in a warm house, we are clothed, we are good friends with the neighbours, we all get on and my mother is a great cook. This seems to be an idea domestic bliss to me and to the neighbours, HOWEVER, How do I know that my mother doesn't spit in the food? how do my neighbours know we don't gossip behind their back? How do I know my father doesn't have a mistress? how do my parents know that I don't download child porn (I don't by the way). A very loose comparison indeed; however look closer at my point (hope that's not patronizing), No one can know enough about what goes on, even in their own house, even with the people we live with and grown up with. If we cannot truely know our fathers or mothers or children; how on Earth can we preach that we know an organization we are apart of??? Redkit |
| Date: 1/17/2001 2:10:00 AM Ok first of all 666 is already here,if you wanna get down to it. Everybar code that is on a product you buy, has a code number to it, them long black lines that the laser reads start with a 6 the middle didgit 6 and the last one is a 6 too. So yes if there where (just saying) a chip with a barcode on it, and it were put into a human then yes we would all have 666 in us. But when you look at the full picture, we as americans have lost our freedoms except a few, and well maybe they have to be hush hush people. Why look what our government did down in Waco, TX. Think about the whole aspect of something before you jump to conculsions..war of worlds Ring a bell....) |
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Date: 1/26/2001 3:23:00 PM
Ansoro Allah Yansorakom. This is our duty all of us muslims. If not we shall go, and only god knows where. All instructions are right there in the Koran but do us muslims do of what we r to do. Im sorry to say no. Moon |
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Date: 1/31/2001 5:51:00 PM
hello again people. I wrote my view on the freemasons further down, ending with Khuda Hafeez! Anyway 2day I was on the club nokia website and when I logged out to my absolute amazement I found there the Nokia symbol the two hands. Guess what was behind the hands..... THE EYE!!!!! Yes, the eye of the Dajaal and the symbol of your hated freemasons!!!! So another international company has been took over by the masons, what next...Manchester United being taken over. may Allah again, make us aware of all the sig |
